We dont need USA to bomb us back to the Stone Age!
Thanks to our Governemnt… we can experience the Stone Age right now!
Why is it that when ever there is a political disturbance, Karachi has to suffer the most?
On the 12th of May, Karachi turned into a war zone… bullets.. firing everywhere… It was difficult to digest that the scenes shown on Tv was just our very own Shahrah e Fasial.. and not Afghanistan or Palestine.
Human life worthless? No Fear of Allah…
The blame game has started.. Musharaaf blames the Chief justice, CJ blames the govt… MQM blames the CJ…other parties blame MQM.. MQM indeed blames some one else…
Will we ever know the truth?
gLiMpSes 
Asalam Alaikum
Dear friend listen to me carefuly and calmly then come to final point. I am not a member or worker or activist of MQM or any other political or religious and racial group etc. First of all check these points are these correct or wrong.
1. How did GEO, AAJ TV, SINDH TV, and KTN TV only gets the exact and clean clear live coverage of bullet firing peoples under MQM Flags?
2. How it is possible that where these peoples are straight firing on somebody and cars, land cruisers, and pajero were going smothly between the firing.
3. If roads were blocked then how it is possible that a huge rally of MQM was reached to its destination before this violence from several areas of Sindh and Interior Sindh to Karachi?
4. Why High Court or SC does not order Sindh Govt. to arrest the peoples who were caught on camera?
5. Where were the central or provincial leadership of all opposition parties on the day?
6. How do you prove that the peoples firing under MQM flag anywher were exactly MQM workers or activist?
7. Who were the peoples who have hijacked the JMPC?
Answers:
– GEO TV belongs to a political party PPP and Jang Group the fierce enemy of MQM from early 80’s.
– Aaj TV is a channel of JI. and every body know JI is the biggest bloody enemy of MQM.
– Sindh TV and KTN TV are the channels of Sindhi Nationalist who does not suppose to be above them speacilay Urdu Speakings.
These all channels actually know what is happening where and how. On which person to focus and which to hide. Because several footage those are in Bitter Truth video are exactly the same as GEO TV but in this video flags of political parties and their armed gun mens were shown which a GEO TV hides.
Aaj TV has shown that peoples are firing on somebody on Guru Mandir where as MQM’s own rally buses were stop there and people have to walk after this spot.
Sindh TV and KTN shows peoples were firing from a bridge and rally of all opposition parties were hanged there then why did they don’t show the rally where it was.
does any channel show a huge gathering or rally of any opposition party where was they.
actualy they have no planning to have a rally but they have planned to do something that will blame and pressurise judiciary to resolve CJP, and in this situation also through back MQM from Punjab.
Answer 2:
You understand Cars, Land Cruisers, and Pajero were going smothly while gun men were firing straight. Who have cars, pajeros, and land cruisers.
Answer 3:
MQM’s rally were coming from all over the sindh ie. Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur, Mirpurkhas, Khairpur, Nausheroferoz, and from 13 more parts of Sindh. Who do people reach to Guru Mandir if roads were blocked on their cars, bikes and buses.
Truth is that on 25Km area from airport to sindh high court is blocked but not by buses, trallers, and heavy vehicle. Govt. accept blockade only of containers only containers.
Answer 4:
Sindh High Court, or SC does not order yet sindh government and will never order that government should arrest those peoples live or death who were caught on camera. Because all these gun men were their own peoples who have supported CJ and Lawyers Movement.
Answer 5:
When there was no rally then what is the need of central or provincial leadership. Where was Nisar Khoro, Qaim Ali Shah, Asad Ula Bhutto, Prof. Ghafor Hyderi, Mairaj ul Huda etc. They all have planned the violence and some of them were sitting in their drawing rooms and most of them were in Islamabad. Where as all opposition parties have challegend the Govt. Of Pakistan that they will show the Historic Strength in Karachi because Karachi. If they think they have victory the country by traveling a 4 hrs journey from Islamabad to Lahore then they will do the same in Sindh where nobody comes out or support all these opposition parties even there is no name of some parties who says them Country wide party like PMLN, ANP, BNP, JI.
Answer 6:
To prove the real truth it is more important to arrest those peoples without any torture and find out to whom they belongs any inquiry, human rights commission,will not prove the real fact but by arresting all the truth will come infront of public.
Answer 7:
There was a conseption that if blockades were not held then injured peoples will be brought for fist aid and will save more lives but you remember on ARY there was a news that a unknown armed group has hijacked a private hospital. Yes That was JPMC where in Bitter Truth video shown that a senior Information Secretary PPP and JI activist were beating the workers of hospital and dont alowing anyone to go inside even injured once.
“inna lillah e wa inna elaih e raje’oun”
MaY Allah give her highest darjah of janat & give u sabr to bear this great loss
“inna lillah e wa inna elaih e raje’oun”
May Allah rest her soul in peace. Ameen
That must be an immense loss. May her soul rest in peace.
“inna lillah e wa inna elaih e raje’oun”
Allah Kareem.
AoA everyone,
H.Q’s mother passed away peacefully day before yesterday.
Please make dua for her maghfirat.
The masnoon way of making this dua is by reciting the duas taughte to us by Prophet Muhammad saw.
You can find the duas here:
Duas pdf
JazakAllahu Khairan.
@ everyone
assalamualaikum
Now I realise the importance of wishing “peace” when we meet each other.
I know one thing from experience. Sincere prayers are always answered, and sincere congregational prayers always benefit a society. Wish you all peace in Pakistan.
Wassalam,
javeria
Do look @ this cool site.
http://www.mqmwatch.org/
It contains videos and other articles on 5/12.
I don’t wish to discuss as i saw all this happening myself.
@ H.Q.
No worries. Alhamd o lillah in any condition.
Allah aap ki walida ko shifa-e-kamila aajla ata farmaye. Aameen
Allah Shafi.
And I have planned to come back in future. Actually, at the moment I can not live in that society, can not adopt that, and I am not that strong and able to change that. Thus, may Allah grant me courage and ability to do good and to make our society a momin society. I believe in, “If you can not adopt the society – change the society, if can not change the society – leave the society, and try to become able to change it sooner or later because they are your own and its your duty to do good. And remember you can not change the society alone, all you can do is play a part – small or big – in order to change that”.
Nothing to say about Lal Masjid folks. Past is telling us, those folks are far more better. Furthermore, they proved themselves as the man of their words. When they said they will release the hostages after achieving our goal, and we have seen, they released them without any hesitation.
@ javeria
“Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.”
– George Santayana
Akber – I like convincing people like Dr. Israr Ahmed, Dr. Zakir Naik.
Adeel – Indeed they are trying their best. But, Akber, you can not convince everyone. Insaan tou man-o-salwa utarne par convince na hua. You need complete deen in its original form. Jihad is Allah’s way and Jihad against the tyrant is an integral part of Islam.
@ everyone
Was 12 May a repeat of History?
Read this article written on 8th may on Karachi Met Blog.
http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/2007/05/may_12_the_judi.phtml
@H.Q
May Allah give your mother strength and courage and good health and may Allah give you and ur family strength and courage in this difficult time. Ameeen.
Plz dont forget to read shifa ki duas for your mother. I sent you the link if u remember.
@ Javeria
The video footage you saw is of MQM’s. Others are also making such videos. I’ve heard these political parties have media depts. as well.
@ H.Q
Thnx for agreeing.
May Allah give your mother good health.
have been terribly busy lately, and therefore haven’t been able to participate here.
@Omar: I agree with you, this is a preplanned scenario.
@Akber: Bro, i used to think on similar lines previously, but finally i’ve decided to let go of perceptions and hook myself up to reality… The reality is so dirty that even the thought of it would make you wanna go and repent.
@Adeel: Good to see u back. I just hope the Lal Masjid guys are for real.
@Javeria: There was no logo cuz these kind of documentaries are being run by cable operators who work under pressure. MQM can make them display whatever it likes, so don’t believe it. But i agree with you that almost all political parties are the different faces of the same mastermind.
In the end, i’d like to request all of you to remember my mother in your prayers, she is terribly ill….. My prayers are with you guys to save our country, but my request to all those who are sitting abroad and crying out loud against the injustice in Pakistan is that, COME BACK, FACE IT and then try to find faults in it and make moves to correct it.
Regards,
H.Q.
AoA,
Its good to have discussions but i request everybody to keep it a friendly discussion and not to make it an ego problem or start getting personal or pointing fingers at each other.
Thanks.
Now regarding the topic, i just today around 8:00 clock in the morning saw some tv channel airing some footage of that eventful day.
The narrator kept blaming PPP and proving from the footage that the culprits were from PPP. It also allegedly showed 2 armed men firing from the car of Sherry Rehman. Also showed her driving the car. The documentary was titled “Karwa Suchh”
I dunoo which channel it was coz there was no logo and the vdo kept looping.
What do u guys have to say about this?
and to make it clear im not a PPP person nor an MQM person nor any other political party person.
All the parties are one and the same but with different names. Their objective is the same, to get power by hook or by crook and to plunder the country.
Omar – I met an intellectual few days back, he had his own point of view of the situation. He said, considering that CJ is/was a close friend of Musharaff, why cant we understand that is all is a game that Musharaff is playing to get re-elected as a president
Adeel – Same thing came to my mind once. I discussed that with my father but he condemned me at that time by saying, “no CJ went against musharraf once thats why musharraf is now after him”. And I though may be I am over thinking the issue.
I’m these days reading a book i.e. 7 habits of highly effective people by Jack Welch, he says one great thing in it, Don’t find a solution from something that is not in our control. If we try, you’d be frustrated and life would be a mess.
So the bottom line is, this whole thing is planned. All is a game. CJ and Musharaf are close friends as before.
MQM as always are being explicitly used. Luckily for Musharaf, MQM offered themselves to be used just for few years of gov.
The ppl of karachi are forced to vote for these parties. Have you guys heard Musharaf’s interview on Aaj with talat hussain he acknowledged that he was sure this all this was going to happen as the CJ’s rally was set to go to Malir Bar and in-route to MQM’s strong hold areas i.e. Malir etc.
I met an intellectual few days back, he had his own point of view of the situation. He said, considering that CJ is/was a close friend of Musharaff, why cant we understand that is all is a game that Musharaff is playing to get re-elected as a president?
Now that musharaf has openly accepted that the trail is mis-handled, he’d rather try to handle it his way as the Gov. seems to loose its grip on the case. End result would be that the CJ would be respectfully returned back to his job and an emergency or something would be declared in Pakistan.
This would enhance Musharaff’s chances to stay in his uniform for 50 yrs more.
Also, we should first have a look @ MQM’s existence, their chain of command and the way they work. They are by no means a political party. Its just a party run by one ***** sitting in London and all his MNA’s and MPA’s are under his threat to work or get killed. We’ve got examples, look @ the biggest jerk on TV, Aamir Liaqat Hussain, Farooq Sattar, Babar Ghauri, these ppl are there to exploit simple matters. You’d never find them giving a solution.
Even our governor is not authorized to make decisions. he flies to London to “consult” with Altaf.
Faiq – I’m honestly unable to understand why the people of Karachi vote MQM, truly killers of innocent people not only on 12th may but they are rich in this sort of activities. God bless on Karachi and innocent peoples!
Adeel – I’m honestly unable to understand why the people can’t see that Islam is the right religion.
– I’m honestly unable to understand that why the people can’t see that Israel is the real threat to world’s peace
There are many other similar questions. And the answer is, Not every man is a man of understanding, especially me.
Allah jis ko dekhne ki salahyat deta he wahi dekh paata he. Warna aankhen sahi hote huey bhi nazar kamzor hoti he. Allah hum sab par sach zaahir kar de aur sach ke raastay par chalne wala bana de. Aameen.
Its becoming behes baray behes. Kam se kam main tou samajhne ke liye tayyaar naheen hoon jo opposite party samjhana chah rahi he. Aur isi liye samajhta hoon keh woh bhi meri baat samajhne ke liye tayyaar na hogi. Is liye koi natija naheen niklega. Aur is tarah se natijay nikla bhi naheen karte.
Assalaam o alaikum.
Akber – Adeel Bhai, so what the hell were you smiling at before May 12th?
Adeel – I was smiling at the way you people think. And now again the same reason gave my smile back to me.
Akber – kindly name any one political party should the people of Karachi vote? Whom would you refer the people of Karachi to?
Adeel – Why should we vote? After giving us all the sh*t of the society you are asking to choose one.
Akber – Your query is your answer…had the MQM been the killers of the people of Karachi, why would they vote. Reason: They are not the killers…simple logic, isn’t?
Adeel – I tried voting last time. What I got is one person on my head telling me to vote MQM. Isn’t it helpful and fair.
Akber – Adeel, why you didn’t stop smiling when you witnessed the carnage of 1992 in Karachi, in which, not dozens, not hundreds, but thousands of your brothers were brutally and extrajudicially murdered on the same very streets of Karachi. Isn’t it your double standard?
Adeel – No. Actually I was 11 years old at that time. But I heard about the incident. Don’t you think you proved yourself a double standard person. You voted for democracy twice,
“Again, I am not a voter of any political party. I am completely against the current political system of the country, in which democracy (sham-democracy I must say) is hijacked by militant parties (ALL of them).” – Akber
And,
“All political partied should be disarmed. Armed politics is no politics and nowhere close to democracy.” – Akber
Then you said,
“I am the strongest supporter of the implementation of Shariat, implemented in true spirit by the true scholars of Islam.”
Where are you heading Mr. Akber.
Akber – Such people can guide us the ways of implementation of the true Islamic Political system, in touch with reality and modern age.
Adeel – So, you don’t want the Islam in its original form. Yani janaab Isha parhne ke baad dance party attend karna chahte hain.
Akber – and not the terrorists and extremists, masked as scholars like Jamaat-e-Islami etc, or those Lal-Mosque (not Masjid) / Jamia-Hafsa people. These are Hassan ben Sabahs of today. I like convincing people like Dr. Israr Ahmed, Dr. Zakir Naik.
Adeel – I have no problem with any of these folks, except Jamaat e Islami.
Akber – If we only believe what media portrays, and only charges are there to support the arguments, all the Muslims become terrorists, Islam becomes a religion of violence, muslims are found to be behind all the terrorism going on in the world, and Islamic extremism becomes the biggest threat to world’s peace. So by this attitude of ours, we are only strengthening the culture of charges and propaganda, in which we (Muslims) are ultimately the losers.
Adeel – You are in the impression that we are blaming MQM because of media. Pal, I lived in Karachi for more than decade. And to decide what MQM really meant for I don’t need any media. I know it for sure that MQM is a less of political party and more of Mafia and Gangsters.
Few of the TV channels are supporting MQM. So, should we not listen to them also? Media reported that 1 out of 500 terrorist attacks in Europe in the span on 2006 was done by a muslim. Should we not accept this too? The fact is you will get both true and false, you will listen both what you want to listen and what you don’t. Its a personal understanding which would work. In case of Iraq, Iraqis don’t have to rely on media, they whats happening better. And in case of Karachi, Karachitese don’t have to rely on media, We have seen what happened in karachi.
Jaisa Iraq mein ho raha he waisa yahan bhi hoga agar aisa chalta raha. Woh Saddam ko na samjhey, hum Musharraf aur Altaf ko na samjhay. Aur haan ye bhi yaad rahe Saddam wala haal hi in ka bhi naseeb he. Haan yaad aaya Saddam ko tou buhat promote kiya tha MQM ne un waqton mein. Is liye naheen keh haqeeqat naheen jaante thay, balke is liye keh promote karne ka hukm aaya tha Altaf ko. Raha sawaal, hukm kis ne diya? tou usi ne jis ne apne mulk mein panah di?
Karachi jaise loag main ne dekh naheen. Agar sab mar jaayein aur sirf ek bach jaaye tou woh bhi sota hua milega. Chalo bhai jaise chahe chaho Altaf ke ummatiyon.
If we only believe what media portrays, and only charges are there to support the arguments, all the Muslims become terrorists, Islam becomes a religion of violence, muslims are found to be behind all the terrorism going on in the world, and Islamic extremism becomes the biggest threat to world’s peace. So by this attitude of ours, we are only strengthening the culture of charges and propaganda, in which we (Muslims) are ultimately the losers.
Adeel, why you didn’t stop smiling when you witnessed the carnage of 1992 in Karachi, in which, not dozens, not hundreds, but thousands of your brothers were brutally and extrajudicially murdered on the same very streets of Karachi. Isn’t it your double standard?
Why Iraqi resistance groups still find loyal freedom fighters from the streets of Baghdad and Baqouba, if they are themselves involved in suicide bombings and murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (as portrayed on media)? You know the answer.
Adeel Bhai, so what the hell were you smiling at before May 12th?…that it was only this day that took away your pleasures in life.
Faiq Bhai, kindly name any one political party should the people of Karachi vote? Whom would you refer the people of Karachi to? Your query is your answer…had the MQM been the killers of the people of Karachi, why would they vote. Reason: They are not the killers…simple logic, isn’t? But who would dare not to turn a blind eye to the truth.
Again, I am not a voter of any political party. I am completely against the current political system of the country, in which democracy (sham-democracy I must say) is hijacked by militant parties (ALL of them).
I am the strongest supporter of the implementation of Shariat, implemented in true spirit by the true scholars of Islam, and not the terrorists and extremists, masked as scholars like Jamaat-e-Islami etc, or those Lal-Mosque (not Masjid) / Jamia-Hafsa people. These are Hassan ben Sabahs of today. I like convincing people like Dr. Israr Ahmed, Dr. Zakir Naik. May they live long. Such people can guide us the ways of implementation of the true Islamic Political system, in touch with reality and modern age.
I’m honestly unable to understand why the people of Karachi vote MQM, truly killers of innocent people not only on 12th may but they are rich in this sort of activities.
God bless on Karachi and innocent peoples!
Omar – Also, i’m strongly against “democracy”. I can have a full argument on the democracy thing.
Adeel – Me too.
Akber – I am no fan of MQM, but I am a bit impressed by its strong internal political structure…no lotas, no hypocrites, bold enough to criticize the decisions of its own supporting government, like killing of Akbar Bugti, or the issue of Kala Bagh Dam.
Adeel – I am amazed! you don’t have anyone else to get impressed. Well, its no more a political party. Its a Mafia Gang pal. Have you ever seen any political party with a leader escaped or underground out of country? And yes very bold to criticize. They will criticize today, then two days later after receiving adequate amount of money they will say everything is ok and settled, no worries.
Akber – And no political party is without armed activists. On May 12, we saw active armed men of many parties (MQM, PPP, ANP, JI). So everyone is involved, and not one can be blamed. All of them should be brought to justice. Half justice is no justice.
Adeel – Excuse me. I am not at all against arms. I love to have the most sophisticated and advanced one. My problem is with the usage. You should have an honest crime law, security implementation, and etc. if not then you must have an honest distribution of arms. The thing is people like me are not allowed to have arms in Karachi. If it were not the case, you would have seen a true war at May 12. And then we would have seen how much brave are the MQM activists.
Akber – All political partied should be disarmed. Armed politics is no politics and nowhere close to democracy.
Adeel – Not a supporter of democracy and its supporters. But agreed, somehow but again impossible thing to happen. Who would do that,? Government? Never. They need to have this thing to manipulate cities in order to suppress any opposite force.
Akber – As long as any politics remains armed, military regime should stay.
Adeel – Naheen sudhrogay? Ajeeb baat he. Haan roko roz 12 May manana.
H.Q. – MQM nay “doobtay ko tinkay kaa sahaaraa” denaa chaha aur khud Musharraf say bhi zyada gehraayee mein doobgaye!
Adeel – Paise wasool kar ke bhi sahara naheen dete kya.
H.Q. MQM officials are set to convene at London, let’s watch what the outcomes of the meeting are.
Adeel – I need not watch because I don’t have any kind of expectations from them.
Its 10 days already passed. But I still can not smile. Umeed he keh is baar logon ko apne bhaiyon ka khoon zaya hotay dekh kar afsos hoga aur woh us khoon ko zaya na jaane deinge. Kyoon ke yahan mujhe apni haq baat zaya jaane ka itna afsos hota he keh bolna hi chhoot jata he.
” All of them should be brought to justice. Half justice is no justice. All political partied should be disarmed”
I’m afraid above statement seems impossible. Also, i’m strongly against “democracy”.
I can have a full argument on the democracy thing.
“woh kehtay hain na bura waqt bta k nai aata, this is what has happened to MQM. this shud’ve happened earlier”
If MQM can stand the 1992 carnage, and come out ever stronger, it can withstand any ordeal.
I am no fan of MQM, but I am a bit impressed by its strong internal political structure…no lotas, no hypocrites, bold enough to criticize the decisions of its own supporting government, like killing of Akbar Bugti, or the issue of Kala Bagh Dam.
And no political party is without armed activists. On May 12, we saw active armed men of many parties (MQM, PPP, ANP, JI). So everyone is involved, and not one can be blamed. All of them should be brought to justice. Half justice is no justice.
All political partied should be disarmed. Armed politics is no politics and nowhere close to democracy. As long as any politics remains armed, military regime should stay.
I was out there on shaheed-e-millat road a block away from shara-e-faisal that day. It felt like i’m playing a real time strategy game where i have to save my life.
I saw automatic amunition that i nver in my life saw in hands of ppl around me. They were firing straightly from the top of the flyover to the ones who were passing by below.
The police was there standing and enjoying it as if it was a bandar ka tamasha.
woh kehtay hain na bura waqt bta k nai aata, this is what has happened to MQM. this shud’ve happened earlier.
i feel bad being a khi resident now.
my bad… shall avoid that in future.
Well, i’m afraid MQM is the culprit.
MQM nay “doobtay ko tinkay kaa sahaaraa” denaa chaha aur khud Musharraf say bhi zyada gehraayee mein doobgaye!
MQM officials are set to convene at London, let’s watch what the outcomes of the meeting are.
Worse days are yet to come in Karachi.
ALLAH rehm karay.
Adeel, the lalmasjid link is blocked down here, guess i’ll have to use the proxy to access it.
Regards,
H.Q.
also please kindly refrain from using slang words.. urdu slangs
Aoa
@ Adeel
Nope the link is not working
@H.Q
Care to share the inside news? who is to be blamed now?
Ok, i guess this is no reason for you to quit. Nevertheless, i have distanced myself from the black hole of evil…… wrath has befallen our land, Great care we must take.
I regret siding by the hypocrites. Today i’ve received some inside news which have sent waves of anger through my spine and forced me to change my mind. Previously my mind and heart were at war due to different frequencies, however, they’ve both reached a conclusion, and that is, MQM was wrong, we must admit.
I denounce all that happened in Karachi on the fateful day of 12th May and I hold none but Musharraf and his frontline ally Mr. Altaf Hussain responsible for the bloodshed in Karachi.
The slogan of the day is:
“America nay kutta paalaa,
wardi waalaa, wardi waalaa”
And the quote for MQM and its activists is:
“tumhaari tehzeeb apnay khanjar say khud-kashi karegi,
jo shaakh-e-naazuk pe aashyanaa banaayega, naa paayedaar hoga” — Iqbal.
I pray that ALLAH helps Karachi and its people and brings it out of this deep s**t-hole in which it has been placed for years by the bureaucracy of Islamabad.
Adeel, I welcome you back in advance. Hope you’ll return a smiling man.
Regards,
H.Q.
“abhi say kehnay laga KHUDA HAFIZ
abhi say waaqif-e-anjaam horaha hai woh
saaray shehr ka mozou-e-guftagoo hai wohi
ussay kehnaa buht aam horaha hai woh”
Adeel bhai, you need not quit this place just because you cannot convince me. My mind and my heart are at war right now, the mind does not accept what the heart says and vice versa….
Ok, i will have to admit, MQM was at fault. I spoke to many people that i know from MQM and they all admit that this was the gravest mistake that MQM could make in times like these. All was but the stupidity of one man. I hope he dies like the Pharoah of Egypt who later on became a dreading symbol for the living. He alone is responsible for this. MQM will probably shatter to pieces upon the differences that have come up after the sad incident of 12th May. My heart actually weeps over what happened in Karachi last Saturday, but then again, if MQM falls apart, i doubt the fact that there will be no more bloodshed… All i was trying to do was calm down the burst of emotions amongst the people of Karachi against this organization………..reason is clear, i don’t want the blood of any Muslim Pakistani to be spilled on the streets of Karachi, else we shall witness a day that will be more devastating than the 8th of October, 2005.
May ALLAH bless our ummah, especially Pakistan.
By the way, let me put it this way, the bloodshed in our country is the aftermath of we so openly supported to take place in Afghanistan a couple of years ago after the 9/11 incident. Not materialistically, but spiritually i believe we were the ones to blame for what brutalities our Muslim Afghani brothers had to face.
“America nay KUTTA paalaa!
wardi waalaa, wardi waalaa!”
Down with Musharraf and his cronies! One and all, they deserve the Gallows!
Regards,
H.Q.
If I were one of them I would have been preferred dying long ago.
– hua jo gham se youn behis tou gham kya sar ke katne ka
na hota jo juda tan se tou zaanon par dhara hota – [Ghalib]
I have no power to convince one more person.
Assalaam o alaikum.
I am not over but out. Totally out.
@ Javeria –
Is http://www.lalmasjid.com/ enabled in Pakistan? I would like to share few links.
Brother Adeel,
I agree we are not allowed to make a party on the basis of racism. But if you look at the background, the party came into existence because racism was openly being practised everywhere! And the urdu speaking population of Karachi was subject to all kinds to atrocities by those who came from Punjab and N.W.F.P., however, upon the inception of MQM, these atrocities against the immigrants of India came to quite an end. I agree that MQM has done many mistakes in the past but that does not mean we should completely isolate them and not give them a chance to compensate for their mistakes. There isn’t one Political party in Pakistan that is not based on such principles of racism, however, since MQM speaks what it has in mind, therefore it is the target of all criticism, whereas, others do the dirty work behind the back and speak of Islam and fraternity amongst the people from different states of Pakistan! Atleast these people are not hypocrites. Anyways, let me tell you why i tend to side by these people. The activists of this party are like my brothers, they were wrongly manipulated by the leadership, and they faced a lot of tragedies as after-effects… Nevertheless, now their hands are tied to either commit what the leadership orders them to do or simply die…. its a long story… If you were living in Karachi you might have seen the pain that these people undergo with each passing day of their lives….
Regards,
H.Q.
@ H.Q.
May Allah grant you courage and success in doing good.
H.Q. – Nevertheless, I’m not biased at all and even if i were attached to some organization, currently i’m completely detached, cuz whatever happened happened while i was abroad.
Adeel – I became grieved. I am feeling like I lost a wise friend somewhere in the dark. I found you pedant and prudent when it comes to Shuja’at Chaudary. But when it comes to these guys, you showed benightedness and unconsciousness. Try to weigh everything, no matter if it is from your own people, in the light of Quran and Sunnah.
I consider all Islamic scholars my teachers, my parents, But even then if I receive anything from any particular scholar, I always try to authenticate that on my own with the help of other teachers/scholars in the light of Quran and Sunnah.
Below are the two simple questions, there are many indeed.
– Are we allowed to make an organisation/movement/party on the basis of racism in Islam?
– What are the five hints given to us by Muhammad (sallah o alaihe wassallam) to recognise a hypocrite?
“dil kay phapholay jal uthay seenay kay daagh say,
iss shehr ko aag lagg gayee iss shehr kay charaagh say”
I just returned to Karachi… And i’ve received some terrible news and after having a look at the situation here, I guess i can do nothing except remain quiet and pray to ALLAH.
Adeel bhai, you got me all wrong. Nevertheless, I’m not biased at all and even if i were attached to some organization, currently i’m completely detached, cuz whatever happened happened while i was abroad.
Regards,
H.Q.
Nobody will tell us the truth. Suppose, if anyone tells you the truth, would you take that as a truth? No, obviously not, not without carrying out few researches and observations. So, truth is there in your given list. What you need to do is, pick one and analyse yourself, analyse the motives, analyse the history, analyse the circumtances, weigh the media talk in your own instrument, analyse the reactions, listen to your scholars/teachers. After doing these things you will find yourself somewhere near the truth, if not at the exact truth.
I hope you have already received my emails. And may be, may be this is the reaction of the same.
Thanks for the post.
“Pakistan kal ka jalta aaj jal jaaye maachis chahiye main de deta hoon” – Its not me, its my anger. My apologize to all. I am trying to calm it down.